You make reference to the teachings of your Church, with regard to complementarian roles as mutual service to one another out of love, not because of the authority of one person over another subordinate. I understand your Church to be the Roman Church. Personally, I couldnt care less what a persons sexual orientation is so long as its within the bounds of our civil laws. Description The BEMA is a fictional dramatic production inspired by the biblical principle in II Corinthians 5:10 that we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due to him for the things done while in the body. I thought I was all alone. The class was successful and quite well attended. Slowly, with lots of help from good counselors, this couple reunited. Lets start with this: what were the situations Paul was referring to in his letters? Therefore, to find justification one must look elseware. I am saying specifically membership itself which I think is what you are saying. James, are you saying that (1) translation, and (2) interpretation, are not required? "You can't sweep it under the rug," he stressed. It is a slippery slope indeed. __ Thank you for being so encouraging to the women in your church and to my blogging buddy Dee (Darlene). We believe in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as verbally inspired of God and without error in the original writings. Thanks again. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, located in Carrollton, Texas, is a church offering Christ-centered teaching and, various kinds of services to its neighborhood and around the world. Nonsense. before and it is sick. So why the double standards? It is not arrogant to identify egalitarianism as disobedience to God. Daisy, I dont know of its your blog writing thats doing it but your comments here have really ramped up in all sorts of good ways. If the pattern of growth in the first century Christian Church included a men only leadership team, and all else was view as contrary to Apostle Pauls written instructions for the formulation of local churches[1], how has pastor Pete Briscoe and his 501(c)3 church leadership team presently gotten around this seemly apparent New Testment limitation? Some 99 speakers submitted 5-minute videos on topics such as social justice issues, succession, PR nightmares, arrogant staff members, killing a church program, homosexuality, and pastoral obesity, among others. Very sad, this. I have a hard time feeling sorry for complementarians who are in more egalitarian churches. But Ive learned that breaking bread in the Christian community and placing Christ above these secondary doctrines is more important. We havent found a place since Its kinda scary to be honest. It is so nice to hear of women being embraced as equal participants and co-workers in the life of the Church. Briscoe and the elders do not wish to do that. But I still think their reasoning is flawed on many points. I can see that you have thought deeply about preserving unity, so much so that I would guess you are responding to Our Lords own mind and heart. Dee and Deb Please keep up your wonderful work And those of you that have been hurtplease keep reaching out God is there He loves you and can be trusted The journey back may take awhile but keep on walking. Only disagree with one statement. But three cheers for Pete Briscoe and Bent Tree Church and others like them! Pete Briscoe grew up in an egalitarian church with his parents Jill Briscoe and Stuart Briscoe championing the egalitarian cause. Yes. Such manipulative tactics are totally inappropriate as a way of stating your case and I pray that you will refrain from them in future. I believe the Bible is infallible. If the person who fell morally in a way that disqualifies them from ministry submits him or herself to the care of the church leadership, then restoration is typically the next focus. I say run dont walk from the control freaks. I have just a few comments, though, on your blog: 1. . I was even taught that about conscience as a child even though we were not calvinists. Your climax is a typical piece of arrogant rhetoric which claims that anyone who disagrees with you is disagreeing with God. No big deal. And God chose women to represent him and witness to the resurrection. Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. I have wondered: do the wives who live under male headship have to leave their consciences behind at the altar when they marry? . "We didn't hold anything back. How do we make sense of the world God gave us (natural revelation) and the Word God gave us (special revelation)? http://7aa41354baefb3f610d0-9426158b81c9f57386a468ce77b36d59.r25.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/f/0e5040219_1461257524_future-of-leadership-at-bent-tree.pdf, Furthermore, if the hermeneutical issues are as serious as I have indicated above, then it would be a matter of faithfulness for Christians to contend against such teaching.. He relates this to creation as God only told Adam not to eat the fruit. Unless Im at the event because of my position (being invited to give a talk in my field, for example) I tell them not to use my title. After a lot of research and study I discovered, by accident, Catherine Bushnell. You can even read their exiled musings here: expastors.com. A response from Denton Bible My church nearby. And there are such exceptions to the typical OT partriarchal practices. We became friends and whenever she was back on furlough I would try to see her. They tack on a lot of unrelated things to the bill and so if another Congress person is against that then they are positioned as wanting children to starve or hate refugees or something. So I am appreciative of Dennys willingness to offer people an opportunity to discuss issues from their various perspectives. How do we perceive this? Beautiful The grace of God in action. Not all Christian 501(c)3 churches are going to be trajectory inclined towards the placement of women in governmental authority (R) however strong the cultural or societal inclination may exert itself. I need to look that quote up & post it here verbatim as its much better in the original. Here is the BTBF announcement re:female elders. Pete asked why I thought that I couldn't teach men the stuff that i knew about history. To see and hear mena stage full of mensharing a God-given conviction that God gives gifts to whom He will, both male and female, and that they are now acting on that conviction, is incredible. And they dont realize they would be so much better off away from the SBC denomination. The current disagreements over womens ordination are similar in saying that while scripture does not specifically permit that role for women even so to deny it to women violates some other values which are found in scripture. Pete has offered to be available to help with the transition. The gymnastics required to get from I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, in the Bible, to I do allow a woman to teach and to exercise authority over a man in the actual practice of the local church, are devastating to the functional authority of the Scripture in the life of the people of God. Pete Davidson's Contract Was Up. I cant speak for Denny Burk, but I do know that he allows for a diversity of opinions to be expressed during the discussions of issues he posts about . Its available on the church website. Bent Tree Bible Message from Sunday, 17 February 2019 Title: Red Letter Questions, Part 6: Why Do You Call Me Good? Your comment is more of a springboard for discussion. I actually see Petes aim and approach as an attempt to contextually harmonize the texts commonly seen as divisive between the egalitarian and complementarian view points. But a true Baptist church is a congregationally governed democracy, hopefully under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Theres no middle ground on that question. I was surprised to find myself crying as I listened. Pete ruined me, plain and simple. Pete Briscoe loved his seminary training at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. I had some inkling it was related to these guys, but no real knowledge. The more extreme types may deny any complementarity but most do. I was startled and mumbled something about me being a woman. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Briscoe and the elders say that they intend to be a conservative church that maintains a tenacious commitment to the inerrancy of scripture. Its based on the proposition that Pauls letters (in the form of literal commands) have the same gravity as the Almighty thundering out of Horeb to Moses. I have to pray about that a lot. 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. We sat through some crazy teachings, but this was a Beloved Community. Which is part of why I am currently attending a much more liberal church than I would otherwise be inclined to attend. Thanks Dee, there are so many admirable things outlined in this post, my favorite was they had not changed their mind but our friendship was more important to them.. Now, this is what I remember reading a few years back. Otherwise, rumors will inevitably spread, say pastors who have gone through the experience. The church has been in whirlwind of pressures, swindlers, goofballs etc for some times and the only thing that has kept us from flying off the ride has been the Lord, the Bible and thoughtful people as many of you are. Association of Related Churches I would encourage you to set an example in doing the good you wish to see as fruit in the lives of others. For her, that was a defining moment because the point leader of this church expressed grace to her in a way that meant the world to her, Briscoe said. I used to belong to a denomination that started ordaining women almost 100 years ago. I would probably go back to church if there was one like this down here in SW Florida! If all sides are committed to the authority of scripture, then perhaps we have some common ground upon which to persuade one another. It took years for the church's worship leader to be at a good place spiritually after having committed adultery. 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