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Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. Let him go! Let's get out of here.You're my witness. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). or psychotherapists. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? And Milich was expecting him. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" How? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." The official cause of death was from a heart attack. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Is that how youwould describe it? ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Please either stop orshape up. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. Poor Clark. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). andpleading with her to take off her mask? Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. This is simple. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. ANSWERS: 4. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". This is still a mystery. 1. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. orpsychotherapists. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. Orgy? --Napoleon. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. It was a > party nevertheless. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). Statanic mass? >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. ME> Again. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. Is that how > you> would describe it? (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Same voice. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. 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